1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 I 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,460 Was at this top step right here, and I actually got pushed down the stairs 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:14,060 Brandon moved into this house. It was like a hurricane. I don't know what this is 4 00:00:14,060 --> 00:00:18,900 I believe there's something bad in this house, and I believe it is a demon 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:28,520 What's that there's something hovering out there you got our tension are you hiding that was you can you do it again? 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:37,240 We're dealing with someone who purposefully conjured something in your home. It's parting words were just you wait 7 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,040 My name is Ryan Buell 8 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,240 As a child I was plagued by the paranormal 9 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:53,200 So in college I founded a group known as the paranormal research society 10 00:00:53,400 --> 00:01:00,120 Now my team and I help those who are haunted like I was 11 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,120 This is paranormal state 12 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,560 So we were here in the Poconos, Pennsylvania 13 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,760 I know some details, but once you go in to fill us in they experienced everything from 14 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,280 doors opening up doors closing seeing lights in the woods 15 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:34,740 One of the clients Brandon says he's been pushed and he fell down the stairs none of the major activity started until 16 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Brandon moved in and Holly's ex moved out 17 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,280 September 3rd of this year after Brandon moved in it was 18 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:48,380 Like a flipping switch the activity really ramped up since then so just to give this straight 19 00:01:48,380 --> 00:01:55,100 Where Holly is the daughter and Sandra is the mom Brandon is dating Holly. Yeah 20 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,580 Okay, essentially they were experiencing a haunting for how long before Brandon moved in 21 00:02:01,020 --> 00:02:06,060 Four years four years. Yes. Nothing seemed threatening until Brandon moves in 22 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:09,060 There suddenly hearing a lot more 23 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:15,720 Brandon's seen things. He's been pushed. He's been punched. He has possibly been diagnosed as 24 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,960 Schizophrenic, I don't know what I can tell you is we have two witnesses 25 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,560 that seem credible and 26 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,680 That have had experiences in this house. It seems like there's a bit of a threat 27 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,900 They are frightened. So let's just see what we can do to help them 28 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,720 You 29 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,120 Brandon yeah, that's fine. You do line 30 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:07,160 This is my team. What's your name? Sandy Sandy nice to meet you. Oh, I'm nice to meet you 31 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,680 what I'd like to do is 32 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Go around the house and just do a quick brief rundown of any major area that's had experiences 33 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,340 I can give you a walk. They're gonna walk through. Okay, cool 34 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:27,480 There's a few things first one Holly's mom was in this room and Holly was upstairs 35 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,720 Which is there are rooms right above the kitchen here 36 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,440 They heard a really vicious like growling noise coming from the living room that scared both of them 37 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,520 I always found a sleep so out of here. It's what didn't bother me. You're saying in here in the living room 38 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:46,000 They heard a growl come from here from out there Holly's mom said something about it. Holly was like, well, I heard it too 39 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 But I thought it was my imagination 40 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,040 Okay 41 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Next these stairs 42 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,040 First time it happened 43 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,560 I was at this top step right here and I actually got pushed down the stairs and I could feel the hands on my back 44 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,920 push me 45 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,760 Hit my head off the stair and then blacked out. I was out for like a half hour 46 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:10,080 Second time I was coming down and I got to the third step and I felt the hand push me again 47 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,000 And only this time Holly's mom was right here and Holly was right here 48 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,320 So they were there the witness at that time. Okay 49 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,360 What's happening here just the other night I was laying on the bed 50 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:29,920 Holly was sitting on the bed and all of us felt the bed just shift and that's why I started getting scared in here 51 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,600 There's times we'll sit over here watch TV and we look straight out this window 52 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,920 It's like a lantern and you can see it going up and down like it's swinging 53 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,920 It gets right click next to our house and then it'd be gone and me Holly and her mom have seen it 54 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,920 If you were to come over here and look out the window 55 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,440 If you look out that way, that's where you see the lantern 56 00:04:50,440 --> 00:05:03,920 When did you guys first have an experience? 57 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,200 started about the winter of 2006 and 58 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,560 Notice that there was this light that was coming towards our property 59 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:17,920 So I was wondering who would be out really late wandering through the snow when it kept happening. I 60 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,680 Actually went out on the property and look to see if there's any footprints nothing was there to me 61 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,600 It was this is a person. This has got to be a person 62 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:31,080 So I would go and look to see there's no footsteps. What about your ex? Did you guys talk a lot? 63 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,120 We used to be like best friends and then we moved up here and he changed 64 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Drastically it got real dark when he moved up here in April. I said I wanted a divorce 65 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:48,480 So when he left is when Brandon moved in gotcha now the minute Brandon moved into this house 66 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,200 It was like a hurricane and everything started to happen all the time 67 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Why is he going after Brandon? Why didn't he go after my ex? 68 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:09,360 So what was your first experience nothing really happened to about a week after I moved in I 69 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:16,640 Had bad back problem from when I worked security. Are you in disability because of your back? No, I'm on disability 70 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,680 Because of my ADHD 71 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,720 My bipolar and they just recently diagnosed me with schizophrenia 72 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,720 Because when I was a young kid I used to hear voices 73 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,520 Calling my name and stuff 74 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,120 But now after all this I think those voices I heard was actually someone trying to talk to me 75 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,960 So are you officially diagnosed or did they just say we think you have schizophrenia? 76 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,880 My 77 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:48,840 Counselor I was going through told me he thought I was a high schizophrenia, but they didn't officially tell me okay 78 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:50,680 I've diagnosed you with this already 79 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,120 Was there anything else traumatic that happened to you right after I turned 19 a good friend of mine? 80 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,080 He had passed away. He was actually stabbed in the back 81 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,400 So that was this year. Yeah, and after that happened 82 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,880 The voices started coming back 83 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:12,120 Okay, why do you think you were pushed down the stairs? I believe there's 84 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:18,400 Something bad in this house and I believe it as a demon or some sort of evil spirit 85 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,600 Directors log I'm sending Josh and Alfie into the woods to investigate the mysterious lights 86 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Well, I'll be using a new piece of equipment to seek out any anomalies inside the house 87 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Go ahead and commence dead time 88 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,320 Commencing dead time 89 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,920 it is 90 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,200 to 11 a.m. If you're here 91 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,880 Give me a sign of your presence 92 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 We're gonna walk out of these woods and it's gonna be 20 years later 93 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,160 Did you hear that sound like a kid? 94 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,040 I can't see you but if you look into this eye, maybe I can 95 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,960 You must have a message so why don't you tell me what that message is? 96 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Why are you scaring the people here in this house? 97 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Why do you want to scare Brandon? 98 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,040 Well, I thought maybe I saw a shadow go by 99 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,280 Are you hiding? 100 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,920 We know harm or disrespect we just want to know what's going on 101 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,080 Yeah, it looked like a 102 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,280 Just a light from the sky twinkling down. I 103 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,280 Mean for a moment there it did look like it was flickering 104 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,600 If you're here 105 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,440 Give me a sign of your presence 106 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,440 I 107 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Earth is that heard some sort of sound out in the hallway this thing is creepy 108 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,920 You show yourself 109 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,080 I'm seeing this that's what I saw there's something like 110 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,960 levitating above the bed 111 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,120 What do you think of the family that's in this home? 112 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,280 We want to know if you're not happy with Brandon being here 113 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:36,440 Did you hear something could you tell where it originated from no, okay? 114 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:46,400 You got our attention if this family has done something to wrong you please let us know I 115 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,040 Thought I heard like a banging of that was it 116 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,640 Yeah 117 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,440 Well, what was that what did you hear something moved from behind me over here? 118 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,040 That was you can do it again 119 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,200 Moving out there 120 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:27,000 To see that that might be a reflection Ryan get closer to it. It's moving without me doing anything 121 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:32,440 Yeah, it was very interesting sound. I know you probably picked it up game from somewhere over here 122 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,360 I don't know what it was 123 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,360 I 124 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,360 Don't know what it was 125 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,360 I 126 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Don't know what it was 127 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,860 I 128 00:10:47,860 --> 00:10:49,860 Don't know what it was 129 00:10:49,860 --> 00:10:53,860 Let's go ahead and it did time. All right, let's go 130 00:11:00,740 --> 00:11:06,820 You see that light before that light out in the distance 131 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,040 There is this war I saw move 132 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:16,180 Why is that? 133 00:11:16,180 --> 00:11:18,020 This is Ryan Poole 134 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:24,820 There's a light out there and I swore I saw it move from as I've been standing here watching it move from point 135 00:11:25,180 --> 00:11:27,180 Hey to point B 136 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:31,620 There's something hovering out there 137 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,280 So 138 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,680 We go to the lights you saw the first set of lights on the west side all I know is 139 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,840 At first I was like now that can't be it but as I kept watching it 140 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,220 All right 141 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:59,480 The movement of these lights and what we saw kind of fits in with what Holly told me is that it doesn't sort of go 142 00:11:59,660 --> 00:12:05,560 Zigzag it slowly kind of wanders a little bit and it gets closer and closer and closer 143 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:11,420 Elphi and Josh we sent them out. Yeah now as you guys are walking. I'm assuming this is the light that you saw 144 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:17,300 Yeah, you guys were walking towards as we got actually closer to this this one is actually three different lights 145 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:19,820 We counted for all the houses that were closer 146 00:12:20,260 --> 00:12:26,020 Obviously that that plays into the the myth of this the sort of Ignace Fattu's will of the wisps 147 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:28,940 You keep following this and you never find the end 148 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:36,540 Maybe there's an explanation, but it does exactly what they say it did so, I mean there's something going on out there 149 00:12:37,540 --> 00:12:41,980 Directors log based on what PRS and the two women of the house have experienced here 150 00:12:41,980 --> 00:12:45,820 I'm wondering if the previous diagnosis of Brandon is schizophrenic is accurate 151 00:12:46,140 --> 00:12:48,140 So I'm bringing in consulting 152 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:56,620 Psychologist Adam said lock to determine whether Brandon's history of paranormal experiences may in fact have been mistakenly identified as mental illness 153 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,800 My name is Adam Brandon. How you doing good good? 154 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,760 I'm a psychologist and I was asked to ask you some questions 155 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:10,120 Have you draw some pictures and and to answer some true and false questions later on in this interview? 156 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,800 And while Adam completes Brandon's assessment 157 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:20,100 I've asked psychic in longtime PRS colleague Michelle Belanger to walk blindfolded through the home and give me her impressions 158 00:13:20,100 --> 00:13:22,100 Hey Michelle, hey Ryan. How you doing? 159 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:28,800 There is a sense of invitation a concerted 160 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:35,660 Process to make this space more inviting 161 00:13:36,420 --> 00:13:41,840 To activity someone did something to bring activity in here 162 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,360 He's doing something to the space 163 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,240 To invite things in 164 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,840 What really feels like he went around? 165 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:52,500 dismantling all the doors and 166 00:13:53,540 --> 00:13:55,620 Breaking down the veil letting stuff in 167 00:14:00,460 --> 00:14:03,420 You believe that whatever's going on here was conjured 168 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:11,540 Yes, where did it come from? There's a sense of at least one person who very intentionally 169 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Opened the door sinned the walls broke the barriers to encourage things to come in 170 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,440 To invite them to have a field day to play 171 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,160 Interesting fellow as always 172 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,480 When you look at the projective results 173 00:14:40,340 --> 00:14:47,580 He's okay. The previous diagnosis of psychosis or schizophrenia. You look at his MMPI results 174 00:14:48,620 --> 00:14:50,620 not there in my 175 00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:55,700 Professional opinion this young man at this time is definitely not schizophrenic 176 00:14:56,060 --> 00:15:02,600 Does he have some problems? Yes. He's trying to deal with things around him that he doesn't understand 177 00:15:02,780 --> 00:15:06,740 He's having a tough time doing it. He just indicates that 178 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:14,800 The only thing he needs now is help and that's why he contacted you now it kind of throws the ball back into your court 179 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:27,160 Michelle does not believe that what we're dealing with is something that's already been here 180 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:33,160 She'll believes that somebody specifically brought something here and with a purpose 181 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:40,540 In other words that someone conjured something up, you know Alfie Michelle are just kind of perusing the books and 182 00:15:41,020 --> 00:15:43,160 There's one in here in particular. I 183 00:15:43,700 --> 00:15:45,700 Just want to know who this belonged to 184 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:49,920 Ceremonial magic, but you think this was your former 185 00:15:50,620 --> 00:15:55,340 Boyfriend it most likely it was when I would ever ask him about any of these books 186 00:15:55,820 --> 00:16:00,740 Because he's had several of them. He would tell me that well. This is not a real book 187 00:16:00,740 --> 00:16:07,080 This is something that we study and you know, this is not a beginner's book. This is an advanced book 188 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,080 This is something that someone would pick up 189 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Who really knows their stuff? 190 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,960 We're dealing with someone who purposefully 191 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:20,800 Conjured something in your home now. I have to ask has anyone here 192 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,480 You know in this house ever practiced any sort of 193 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Magic or a cold no, I can tell you I have never done any type of 194 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,760 Ceremonial magic. I have never 195 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:40,360 Participated at any type of black magic. We'll have to ask this too has Brandon done anything even on a lower 196 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:48,640 Not advanced level. No, let's also look at this coincidence your ex leaves in the same day Brandon moves in 197 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,840 It's not 198 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,720 Unusual if for someone to practice stuff to then do something before they leave 199 00:16:56,940 --> 00:17:03,340 If you honestly are not aware of things in your ex-boyfriend he's done then that means he was doing it in secret somebody 200 00:17:03,860 --> 00:17:06,400 In this house has done something 201 00:17:07,220 --> 00:17:09,220 geared to torment y'all 202 00:17:09,580 --> 00:17:12,420 Well, his parting words were just you wait 203 00:17:13,180 --> 00:17:15,700 That's what he told her. He said he'll wait forever 204 00:17:16,900 --> 00:17:18,900 And he said I'll be back in this house 205 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:35,660 If you honestly are not aware of things your ex-boyfriend he's done then that means he was doing it in secret seems possible that somebody 206 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:38,620 In this house has done something 207 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:41,500 geared to torment y'all 208 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:44,720 Well, his parting words were just you wait 209 00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:48,040 That's what he told her. He said he'll wait forever 210 00:17:49,220 --> 00:17:51,220 And he said I'll be back in this house 211 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:55,860 Michelle something very interesting. It's to bring the walls down 212 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,840 to hurt 213 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,160 It's possible that something was conjured and it's getting stronger 214 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,600 We haven't gone through the storm fully yet 215 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,360 biggest thing is we need to try to see if 216 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:14,160 Michelle can try to dismantle whatever's going on here if someone is able to conjure this stuff. It's also possible to fight it 217 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:22,040 Directors log now that I have a strong lead on the source of this family's problem 218 00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:27,060 I've asked Brandon to join Holly Sandra and I as we talk about the way forward 219 00:18:27,380 --> 00:18:33,620 So I believe there's two things going on here. I think there's something magical out there. I can't explain. That's really interesting 220 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:38,780 I saw a light from over there. We have it on video for a good 221 00:18:39,300 --> 00:18:40,700 40 minutes 222 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:44,060 Nevertheless the lights remain a mystery that we cannot solve 223 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,540 There are 224 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,320 Mysterious lights that appear all over the world that even scientists can't explain 225 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:56,800 It's called the Ignis Fatus and there's all these different legends about it such as trying to mislead people 226 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,600 But I believe that's separate from what may be going on inside this house 227 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,760 But then there's something negative going on here 228 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:10,400 Save to say even though we can't 100% prove it that there's some sort of witchcraft or magic 229 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,440 practiced in this house 230 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:17,780 The ceremonial magic books that were laying around were highly advanced 231 00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:25,420 It seems based off y'all's testimony that the most likely source of that is a person you're in a reformer relationship with 232 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:28,740 I don't think this thing is focusing on you Brandon 233 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:32,980 I think you just happened to be here the day you moved in is the day your former 234 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:39,380 Boyfriend left and you moved in that same day if he was into the black arts 235 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:47,600 Then what's to say out of spite just to say I wish harm on all of them as he walks out the door 236 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,080 You have so much 237 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:57,800 Material left from your ex-boyfriend. He hasn't left this house yet symbolically metaphorically. I know 238 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:05,000 I'm trying to get rid of everything that has to do with him. My suggestion is that sooner rather than later 239 00:20:05,860 --> 00:20:10,980 Pack up everything. That's his move it somewhere outside of the property 240 00:20:12,380 --> 00:20:16,140 Symbolically it means the last remnants of him are gone 241 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:24,140 Okay, now Michelle is going to do a blessing here tonight as well as put up walls 242 00:20:24,860 --> 00:20:29,580 Ceremoniously something keeps coming in and invading the house and things have been brought up here 243 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:37,220 She's gonna try to remove that stuff and put up shields so that way it limits the effector hopefully makes it go away 244 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:43,080 Mm-hmm, and you know, we'll give you your house back. I just want to thank you. My pleasure, man 245 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,920 Then I want to thank you my pleasure 246 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,600 Final director's log as a precaution against further activity 247 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,240 I'm having Michelle replaced the psychic barriers that may have been torn down 248 00:20:57,700 --> 00:21:00,860 Both inside the home and in the surrounding forest 249 00:21:01,340 --> 00:21:07,460 With these four walls that were taken down and make you walls again to protect all who are within 250 00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:10,540 from all that is without I 251 00:21:13,340 --> 00:21:16,460 Ask all you spirits out here 252 00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:19,420 To respect the boundaries of this house 253 00:21:20,180 --> 00:21:24,980 The four walls and roof that shelter the people here and come only when invited 254 00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:29,960 Leave when asked and share this space